Mr. Akin is the victor now, due to no truth or veracity on his part or his positions. It gives us a *very* queasy feeling in the gut to have someone bring up a mostly fabricated book that was used to justify the persecution of English Catholics and the enslavement of Ireland. a critical similarity between Catholic authoritarianism and Islamic authoritarianism. Someone wanted trouble, and they were TRYING to make this web site be found. Notice that wherever this mans name is mentioned on the internet, Gods name is insulted by default. In that respect, StubbleSpark, I appreciate your adventurous thinking, though it seems to me that we do need some lumps to go with our cake. (Though the laughter is gaining the upper hand at the moment. I respect Akin but I do feel he misdirected people away from the tough theological questions. New Testament Reliability -Can you trust the Bible? Who was the Founder of Christianity? Gospel to be saved (Mark 1:15). Jimmys post spoke a good bit about the pictures. For my money, there is hardly a dimes worth of difference in approach among most of the sites Ive visited on both sides. There is NO reason for a White disciple to point anyone to Catholic Answers, let alone build up some elaborate hoax to discredit the Catholics here. Esau, I cannot speak to Jimmys motives, but in my opinion the outrage is convenient in that it allows a clean break while simultaneously indicting James White. Labrialumn, I tried to summarize the arguments that you posted. Jesus also prayed for those who crucified him saying, Father forgive them, they know not what they do. Does the vitriol of James White compare with the great injustice done Christ? 9+scandal&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us Donald Casadonte. How do you manipulate the resurrected Christ? Purely in terms of strategy, he must know that this is hurting his cause among both his co-religionists and those he presumably seeks to woo from the One True Church. I havent seen anything to substantiate a belief in Scripture Alone, especially since there wasnt a definitive list of authentic scriptures Islamist= radical Muslim, not to be confused with the non-murderous Muslims. Not that I always oppose circular logic. why did Jesus qualify His command that we must forgive with the words if he repents? Which (if either) is the correct list, and how does one make that determination? The fact that I come here and do not side with the Jimmy Akin followers does not make me a Disciple of White as you presumptiously put it. I look forward to reading more of your work. I share it. A Biblical Basis for the Immaculate Conception. He read widely in what was available to him in his day. Evidently our Great Tradition Baptist thought leaders have decided to stay far, far away from actually telling us how we can define the GT in light of the Second Nicene Council, as per Mondays Dividing Line. Did his pictures provoke wry smiles and amusement among his audience? That the pictures are offensive is completely immaterial to those few who come to his defense. Roman Catholics differ on as many issues as Protestant Evangelicals do. Had we more folks like you, then perhaps we could live together as brethren in the Faith rather than the viscious venom you find in the age-old prejudice: Prots v. Romanists. Logic! By that logic, I have a relationship of some form with Mr. Spock Ive been a fan for years, and have put up posts about him. As Ive stated previously: Take up and read. Instantly, with altered countenance, I began to think most intently whether children made use of any such chant in some king of game, but I could not recall hearing it anywhere. Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. Surely you jest. I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. Why would I have to? As you can see in the picture above, both the symbols of alpha and omega have beautifully popped out against the circular lines, making the tattoo look like an optical illusion. You have me confused with someone else. Second, if someone is BOTH unprincipled AND incompetent, and White is both, then it might well be a moral obligation not to treat such a man as if he were reasonable. Teacher, he asked, what must I do to inherit eternal life? FOR PEOPLE TO ARGUE WITH YOU, THEY HAVE TO COME HERE TO DO IT. But one of the problems with being a mystic is that you cannot really go around telling people you are an amateur mystic like you can tell people you are a professional or amateur apologist. Might be time for some kind of update to these. if he repents doesnt seem to require us to forgive those who do not repent. Dave Armstrong wasnt stoned to death for doing that. BELIEVES the Gospel has eternal life, which can never be forfeited or Beckwiths conversion is probably the most upsetting thing that happened to White since his sister became Catholic. You, along with others on both sides of the Tiber, have steered the discussion to other theological areas. Akin rips Whites attack on Beckwith, with some ad hominem involved. The nature of canon (mediated) in regard to inspiration is vital to properly understanding the historic canon process. Whats happenin? Re: Posted by: LJ | Aug 11, 2007 12:29:25 AM As you know by now, there are several available design options that you can choose from, to permanently display these two meaningful symbols on your skin. The nature of canon (mediated) in regard to inspiration is vital to properly understanding the historic canon process. how Satanic and corrupt all these new Slander is saying something not true, so perhaps you should consider what exactly youre saying before you go shooting your keyboard off. //Maybe you think calling Mr. White names and running discussions according to a made up law is engaging in appropriate discussion methods.// Really, he should take the high road here, and then, we can discuss his theological points. Question: if the Bible is 100% Gods Word (as I believe as well), why do we talk about Paul, Peter, Matthew, etc. Some posters may find it hard to believe, but there are a lot of people out there who have sufficiently rich lives such that they might not check blogs for a week or two, or a month, or ever. But apparently, you think youre right, and you should be just as tired of that. Tattoo Short Sleeve Tops New Poster for Alpha and Omega xi Tattoo by Jonathan at Alpha & Omega's Tattoo . No, not required if you dont want your sins forgiven. Please read Jimmys post found here. So put upon is he by the cacophonous calls for charity that he has to break the tension by putting up what he believes are a few innocent and humorous pictures. Name Server: What would you say if I told you that the only logical response to that quoted statement was that you had obviously not never listened to White at all? I wasnt aware Wikipedia was an authoritative source in any arena, including theological debate. And I was directly responding to the content of your post, to correct it. It would strain credibility to brag on one hand how your faith does not require membership in a given church or denomination (or non-denomination as they are called nowadays) and then come up with a definite list of denominations where your future children would not be saved, should they be raised there. Glorious Lord. 28:18-20); by Baptism one is made a member of the Church: I mean, Im a cessationalist, and I dont believe speaking in tounges to still go on. they dont go anywhere. The communication barrier betwixt us is real and severe. I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him. Where did Paul say to wait until he repents? I do think you have a point. Jonathan, that last little tidbit is an argumentum ad populum and should be recanted. Sippos response We began listening to the 1993 San Diego debate on sola scriptura with Roman Catholic apologist Patrick Madrid today. Please correct my misunderstandings of this argument. Maybe he repents but you dont know it. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 10:09:37 PM he claims implies that they are irrefutable. Christians have many roles. Whites explanation leaves that unanswered. Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. Is Beckwithamas the new Bushitler?). yes I read the Scriptue Alone Controversy and I loved the analogies he drew and the way he explained the many theories involved in this subject and compared and contrasted them with the catholic position. How is God glorified when you and Mother Church want the glory for yourselves? Are you that irrational? Someone registered it and then pointed it to Catholic Answers. If you have read at all, I already showed how I believe God used the church body to reveal divine canon to us. I do not know how to succeed in telling you that the path you are on does lead to something horrible. That would be tedious. 18:17). It is a bit off-topic, I know. He has been married to Kelli for more than thirty-seven years, and has two children, and four grandchildren. Any arguments he can raise against Catholicism have been rebutted a thousand times by Catholics. Not all Muslims are terrorists, no matter how much you presume them to be. There a very benign reason for the comment about 500 posts, but Greg, in his eagerness to slam Catholics didnt even consider it. Yet you characterize this as measured and fair, and mockery of it as sophmoric. Ok, does this mean that bright minds need no longer feel a need to respond to JW? It isnt funny to point out that the people who make vague accusations about the URL could have done it themselves? He and his family are here to see the church healthy and effective as they continue to further the gospel and accomplish the manifold mission Jesus has given the Church. Otherwise, how is one to judge between one list of books and another? In whose eyes? Greg McR, In this syllogism, Roman Catholic is qualified, ergo it is not a universal, but a particular. No, Bear. Why? NEVER!!!! Bowing out. Every body now, to the tune of Youre so Vain Charity does include admonishing the sinner which Jimmy does by shaming Mr. Whites actions. Store Also, even the more knowledgeable anti-Catholics will recognize that there is no lack of historical, philosophical, or even Biblical support for Catholicism. Or do you deliberately GLOSS OVER Whites specious statements??? And how can I be forgiven my sins if I havent dwelt on them, considered them, determined why I committed them, and resolved to repent? Instead of requesting that I just go read the book, why not provide the salient points for me? Dr. White welcomes your calls at: did I? What in the world does that have to do with anything, other than you assume Divine insufficiency? *grin*. Pity StubbleSparks epiphany for the day: (A quick glance at the content of the comments posted here testifies to this very thing.) Enoch Mt 16:18: He got the bright idea today, really only a few hours before we started, to use Zoom to allow folks to call in to the program today. We have been sucked into it because The lonely hermetic cell is calling [us] to quiet, prayerful contemplation and [we are] running from the silence where the voice of God resides. Now, dont get me in trouble with your hubby, Foxy! Market? If so, why??? This is a little worse than that time you told that horribly inappropriate joke at worst place and time and everyone looked at you like you were Jack the Ripper or something. Anonymous who I gather is Eric, Paraphrasing of the argument what was originally asked, anyways. They have quality products with a gospel-centered message. I have noticed that White has been especially hysterical about the Beckwith situation. You shouldnt cut-and-paste a huge amount of garbage into someone elses com box. Ignoring the thrust of an argument That is total heresy! YEAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!. Especially since all those things were so intertwined with the liturgy that the members of the Early Church could hardly talk about them separately? The counterpart is stunned silent at first. Reno, The End of Interpretation: Reclaiming the Priority of Ecclesial Exegesis. Huh. I didnt say youre right oe that anyone is right when a person decides for himself, but you might think your personal gnosis is accurate. James Robert White is a Baptist theologian, [1] the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, an evangelical Reformed Baptist Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona and a Christian scholar. I mean, what do you tell people who stumble onto the site looking for theological answers who have never heard of James White? I think he made a error in judgement. He has been married for more than thirty-six years and has two children and four grandchildren. Their memory isnt infallible. We can presume that he knew no love was lost between them. Im sure you would agree on this I wasnt responding to Matthew originally, his request happened to coincide with my refutation of Esau via quotation of Whites own book about sola Scriptura. I really dont know how to respond to this one, as Im laughing a bit too hard. What do you expect? I dunno if this is all about James white for you, or displaying the bias you have towards all Muslims. How do you know that Hebrews is actually Scripture? I corrected your statement to indicate that it was the disciples who were empowered. This might help. Its kind of part of the package deal of being a confessing sinner. Everyone really is fed up with the excuses. You cant go to the individual books of the bible to determine just which books are authentically inspired and can be deemed as Scripture. I ask this with great personal fear, being myself guilty. Quick shut it down. Name Server: It IS a bit of levity. Jesus, mary margaret: Roman Catholics differ on as many issues as Protestant Evangelicals do. I wonder if anyone will do so this time. Fascinating and important stuff from the former Pope. VAT 4956 astronomical observations made during Nebuchadnezzar s 37th regnal year 568/67B. C. Hence, his first regnal year was spring 604 B. C., or, using Babylonian Are you an Aaronic priest? Please help him to sense Your presence in removing the chains that hold him to that pain. Christ sent them forth to teach His doctrines, saying, As the Father has sent me, I also send you. (John 20:21) (By the way, wheres your reply to my interaction with your question? Alpha and Omega Ministries Yall that are tossing the verses, you might want to read the whole thing. Mary, That is not in the interest of Catholic Answers, unless you think they are a bunch of very stupid people. I follow, specifically, the successor of Peter, because Christ gave to Peter (and only to Peter) the keys of the Kingdom, and promised that the gates of Hell should not prevail against Christs Church. In his commentary on St. John, in Ch 16, he says this: Registrant City:Riverside Feeling the way that I do about the threat of Islamofacism that faces us today, the pictures on the White site made me cringe a bit because I knew they would not be received well on the other side. (602) 973-4602 (Metro Phoenix) Thus I wanted to lay out some of my thoughts briefly. The real history is that the Emperor Constantine took the court of Rome east, leaving the Pope to sit in Peters chair alone practically forshadowing the whole idea of separation of church and state. He uses hyperbolic language to suggest the Council of Trent really doesnt anathematize Protestants (even though it was written in direct response to the reforms of Luther and others) and seems to be intent on playing the lets all just get along mantra. I had a much longer post analyzing Dr. Whites attempted humor, but this one will already be too long according to Da Rulz. Do You Really Believe and Practice Sola Scriptura? Ive backed up every single one of my accusations, blatantly going against the grain of the general tone around here. For women, this design might be better suited on the back as well, as it is quite an elaborate motif. Certainly you can make whatever analogy you want, but comparing Catholics to jihadists is not accurate. and, here, accuse Jimmy Akin and Crew that were the ones responsible for this act. Since when is it anyones duty to prove innocence? of Mapname.com customer 3 In my haste to put down my thoughts I just didnt remember to sign the document. I have not gone off on a tangent, though you have. Registrant Phone:+1.9512424988 Like a crazed archer scattering firebrands and deadly arrows Though i do think the actions taken by white are questionable at best, this is the perfect time to show what it means to be Catholic. We will continue this review over the course of the next few programs, with the exception of this Thursday when we will be examining the textual variant at Luke 23:34 Lets see what some of the topics were: Sam Gipp and Antioch manuscripts, the Church & Culture, Debating the Papacy, Justification and Roman Catholic apologists, how to talk to Christians who have bought into social justice theories, and more! And how binding is a modern fatwa? But the simplest definition of the word mystic only means one who loves God very much. Carebear, The guy who made straight out accusations of lying was given all the time in the world and he didnt even have one example of any blatant misrepresentation or lie that he had slandered Dr White with but hey give him a couple more months.. Foxfier, thanks for your thoughtful response. It was that, or start yet another denomination. Statement of Faith And, every Christian, by definition of them being a Christian, would admit to being a liar. The fact heand his fansare incapable of acknowledging any moral or factual error in dealing with Catholics is why were still at it four days later. It just goes to demonstrate how INEXCUSABLE someone elses claims were! For the run-of-the-mill Protestant, the issue doesnt come up that often, but for Dr. White and Carebear as two examples and Ive known others intimately, there is an intense need to win this argument, regardless of what convolutions of logic are required, whether it requires thousands of angels dancing on pin-heads. Just as no sensible person would read tabloids for serious news (even if serious news were in fact printed in them), I dont think White should be taken seriously as an apologist (even if his serious work is very good, which it may be for all I know) until he can figure out how to have conversations without making his opposing parties angry at him. 34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? It was a deeply stupid comparison which says more about Whites mindset than it does about the Beckwith thread(s). You have no clue who I am and I am in no way associated with the actions of James White or his ministry. So if the above questions about divine revelation of the proper canon of scripture were answered by White elsewhere in his book, then explain itdont just say you need to read his book. Simply put, God knew both the Rule of Scripture and the Text of Scripture before it was ever written. caused by the hundreds of corrupt new Bible versions, which have redefined Youre right that we will still be here despite any maltreatment. And so Catholics began to call themselves Catholic. In that same century St. Augustine said: All heretics wish to call themselves Catholics; yet if you ask any of them to direct you to a Catholic church, he will not direct you to his own! It is DECEPTION! Either youre accusing Esau of definitely doing what you claim or the backpedalling second comment where you make a presumptuous assumption about Esau then qualify it by saying IF he did it intentionally, then he was a liar. The paragraph after the bold/italic bit is Pullmans answer and the rest is me. When I first saw them on James White web site I did not think it was funny at all and was shock that he used those images to make a point. Dean thank you greatly; I have no trouble with you repeating it, since it seems that the prior times had no effect.. Everybody knows that thinking people express themselves with cat macros. Just because you are getting an alpha omega tattoo, does not mean you have to stick to only those Greek symbols. Sometimes human beings respond to what is disgusting with outrage. To that end, no such insult was intended. Heh, hehin a funny way, hes doing the kind of thing that Jesuits have been accused of . as being authors of particular books? Please quote to me how White has claimed victory via the pictures posted. Christ engaged the Pharisees for a while but not at the end during the Passion when they were intent on killing him. That includes urging one another the abandon wrong paths, and always acting in love. But Denniss post was measured and fair, and it is not helpful to discourse to resort to ridicule. Esau, Remember nowsubstance. Dont bear false witness to your neighbor is a law from God. I appears to me that Dr. White is simply a bit challenged by Dr. Beckwiths return to the Catholic Church and has let his emotion get the best of him. So you, like the Protestants, decided for yourself what the Bible says. Universi X sunt Y. as #1.) But I will reveal the truth to you: Its too late to save James White. But having said that, White has shown he is a gentleman just look at the debates with Pacwa, for instance. Im being sarcastic to make a point. Oh, and Daisy, while I appreciate the Biblical quotes, you really need to do two things: Jimmys analysis of Dr. The Reformers werent reforming against Trent. FAT CHANCE!!!! Posted by: CareBear | Aug 13, 2007 4:28:08 PM http://www.jamesrwhite.org now points at Whites siteSuspicious, eh? put such a harsh light on the historic abuses of Rome Moral equivalency. Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church (Matt. They. 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